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izzy LCUSA Member
Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 4688 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: RBs and air filters/fuel tanks |
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What are the RB guys doing for airflow? Holes in side panel? Remote filter? No filter?
I'm trying to decide what to do in terms of long range fuel tanks which will affect whether I'll be able to use a remote filter. I'll be using a S1, so there should be more side panel clearance. I'm not opposed to cutting a hole in the panel, but would prefer not to. _________________ Ryan
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Jimh2 LCUSA Member
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 45 Location: Next door to Craig
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Mate, holes are good. But filters..........well, they are for poofters
You really should talk to Craig about this......wait to you see his panel
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beat LCUSA Member
Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 2082 Location: ABQ, NM
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Yes Izzy, that carb IS attached to the manifold. I had a video of it running. Its a sight to see. I'll see if I can dig it up.
Jim is right, skip the filter. They say to always make sure and run a fuel filter to protect the lining in the barrel because they are not easily over bored, but if your tank is a brand new long range, I dont see the point.. especially since you're gulping 1000 fold that tiny amount of gas in unfiltered air. Fuel filter or not, I saw craigs 250 suck in a humming bird and spit the feathers out the pipe.. no damage to the bore at all. Nikasil is tough. |
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izzy LCUSA Member
Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 4688 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! I take it that doesn't fit under the panel? _________________ Ryan
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MarkH LCUSA Admin
Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 3475 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Define "panel"  _________________ Jet200 Performance
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bayarealam LCUSA Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 2658 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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It's really pretty impossible to get enough air to the kit without cutting a hole, Ryan.
And I would never harm a hummingbird
 _________________ Craig Bachler
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tenelson LCUSA Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 97 Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm running without a filter too, with a hole cut in my Series 3 panel. With a Lectron, it just barely fits.
For the tank, you'll definitely want something long range. A lot of the Brits have had trouble with those stainless steel tanks, with leftover particles from the manufacturing process grinding down the nikasil rather quickly. AF Rayspeed issued an advisory on this, which I can't find at the moment. _________________
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th' Cap'n LCUSA Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 3129 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ryan, what carb are you going to use? If it's a Lectron then you will have to cut a hole or run without panels. Those carbs need completely unobstructed airflow.
It's better that way, anyway--the spit gets ejected out the hole rather than sprayed all over inside your panels and everything else. _________________
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izzy LCUSA Member
Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 4688 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha, Craig. That thing is ridiculous...and I mean that in the good sense of the word, but the more I look at it... . I'll cut a hole. With a welder in the garage, I'm no longer afraid. As for long range tanks, Jet200.com has a nice fiberglass one listed, but is out of stock. Damnit, Mark.  _________________ Ryan
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izzy LCUSA Member
Joined: 03 Apr 2003 Posts: 4688 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| th' Cap'n wrote: | Ryan, what carb are you going to use? If it's a Lectron then you will have to cut a hole or run without panels. Those carbs need completely unobstructed airflow.
It's better that way, anyway--the spit gets ejected out the hole rather than sprayed all over inside your panels and everything else. |
Lectron....we need some way to distinguish ourselves from those damned Brits. We didn't fight several wars in the 18th and 19th centuries for no reason. _________________ Ryan
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bayarealam LCUSA Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jet200 parts are for debutantes and fancy-boys. _________________ Craig Bachler
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izzy LCUSA Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| bayarealam wrote: | | Jet200 parts are for debutantes and fancy-boys. |
That's why I was initially attracted to them. _________________ Ryan
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MarkH LCUSA Admin
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm having more tanks made - takes quite a bit of time though. So if you wants - let me knows. _________________ Jet200 Performance
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GP Kevo LCUSA Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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You could talk to Al at Diablo Moto and see if he can make a long range tank with a space for a remote filter. He makes his tanks out of mild steel so they can take the vibrations a Lambretta dishes out without cracking and leaking. His tanks have the best retention system I've seen for a Lambretta long range tank.
New fuel tanks need to be washed out and and some tanks may have to be sealed before using. Stainless steal tanks are known to crack and leak. Avoid them. It's a good idea to run a good fuel filter at least at first until you can be sure that the fuel is running clean.
Running without an air filter is ok if your roads are clean and debris free but where I've ridden you'd be amazed at how fast a throttle slide can wear out when run without a filter and all that grit goes right into the barrel. That was running open carb under the sidepanel with no hole. Now I run my TS1's with foam filters, one through a hole in the panel and the other with a remote filter under the side panel (between the fuel tank and toolbox-2nd fuel tank) where the airbox used to sit. The carbs stay remarkably clean. |
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izzy LCUSA Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| GP Kevo wrote: | You could talk to Al at Diablo Moto and see if he can make a long range tank with a space for a remote filter. He makes his tanks out of mild steel so they can take the vibrations a Lambretta dishes out without cracking and leaking. His tanks have the best retention system I've seen for a Lambretta long range tank.
New fuel tanks need to be washed out and and some tanks may have to be sealed before using. Stainless steal tanks are known to crack and leak. Avoid them. It's a good idea to run a good fuel filter at least at first until you can be sure that the fuel is running clean.
Running without an air filter is ok if your roads are clean and debris free but where I've ridden you'd be amazed at how fast a throttle slide can wear out when run without a filter and all that grit goes right into the barrel. That was running open carb under the sidepanel with no hole. Now I run my TS1's with foam filters, one through a hole in the panel and the other with a remote filter under the side panel (between the fuel tank and toolbox-2nd fuel tank) where the airbox used to sit. The carbs stay remarkably clean. |
Yeah, I'd prefer no hole and a filter, but I don't know if that is going to be an option with the Lectron carb. . NOt sure if anybody uses remote filters with these things....or even a foam filter.I've seen Al's tank. Those are pretty sweet. Not sure how much he charges. I was thinking of the fiberglass one Mark has on his site. _________________ Ryan
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